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 [1352] #politics
When the president comes out as anti-fascist and pro-democracy and you feel attacked, perhaps you need to do some introspection
     @johnlegend, 2022-09-02
 [1351] #politics
<phess> The Wisconsin Supreme Court's conservative majority rules 4-3 absentee drop
<phess> boxes are illegal in Wisconsin. (back on 8 july)
<CymruLlewes> but you can still mail them in?
<CymruLlewes> Otherwise how will Wisconsin senators vote?
     #bitmines, 2022-07-21
 [1350] #politics
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
     Jean-Paul Sartre
 [1344] #politics
<midi> under socialism "they" own everything.  under capitalism, "we" own everything.
     #bitmines, 2021-06-11
 [1343] #politics
<midi> "'We solve our disputes at the ballot box,' says Kevin McCarthy,
<midi> who tried to overturn what happened at the ballot box."
     #bitmines, 2021-01-13
 [1337] #politics
<qq> i want to start tagging buildings with 0126253 and see if anyone gets it
<qq> = 0xACAB
     #atbot, 2020-09-23
 [1314] #politics
<hawks> There once was a man from Nantucket
<hawks> Who's dick was so long he could suck it
<hawks> He said with a grin
<hawks> While wiping his chin
<hawks> Telling my story is in violation of Article 25 and invokes Article 33 of the GDPR
     #sv2600, 2018-11-09
 [1307] #politics
If you want to build a better future, you're going to have to do it yourself.  Politics will take us only so far and if history is any guide, they are the least reliable means of achieving effective change.  They're not going to jump up and protect your rights.  Technology works differently than law.  Technology knows no jurisdiction.
     Edward Snowden
 [1297] #politics
<gordonfish> Are you saying Palestinians are native to Jerusalem?
<thrig> let's talk about something less problematic, like perl vs. perl6
     #perl, 2018-05-14
 [1296] #politics
<paul> Yes, as a member of the "deep state" i tend to give those tasked with keeping the
<paul> peace the benifit of the doubt when it is obvious no <b>significant freedoms</b> are
<paul> being transgressed in the pursuit of public safety.
<toysoldier> I love it when you have a Freudian slip, Paul, and reveal yourself as the evil
<toysoldier> minion that you are deep down.
     TankNet, topic 43061, 2018-04-12
 [1290] #politics
"Our constitutional protections are ink on a paper.
They depend on enforcement to have any power whatsoever.
Because the people have bought into the relatively recent fiction of the government's "monopoly on force", they have divested themselves of real power, leaving enforcement entirely in the hands of those who constitutional protections were intended to curb."
 [1256] #politics
You don't fight fascism because you are going to win.  You fight fascism because it is fascism.
     Jean-Paul Sartre
 [1239] #politics
<BrokenCog> I wouldn't say [Trump is] a Republican as much as an Anarchist, to be honest.
<ttks> he can't be an anarchist; authoritarianism contradicts anarchism
<BrokenCog> ttks: logic.  meh.
     ##slackware, 2016-10-20
 [1226] #politics
<ChoHag> The world's going to shit. The US just has better media coverage.
     #perl, 2016-07-01
 [1209] #politics
<BrokenCog> that's why it's called propaganda:
<BrokenCog> it props up your agenda.
     ##slackware, 2016-01-13
 [1202] #politics
<Kamuela_iOS> Trump has done more for business than anyone since Stalin
     #go-nuts, 2015-09-04
 [1189] #politics
The power to authenticate is in many cases the power to control, and handing all authentication power to the government is beyond all reason
     Ronald L. Rivest, 1998
 [1164] #politics
Failure to hold an LEO accountable for violating the law gives tacit approval of extralegal retaliation.
     Mick, 2015-01-27
 [1154] #politics
If your enemy is buried in quicksand up to his neck, pull him out.
If he is buried up to his eyes, step on his head.
     -- Niccoli Machiavelli, "The Prince"
 [1138] #politics
<phone> socialism for all on all levels, doncha know?
<phone> wait. why is the world taking away my stuff
     #atbot, 2014-07-25
 [1137] #politics
"The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.  Almost inevitably, he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable."
     -- H. L. Mencken
 [1134] #politics
"All governments abuse power.  Every one of them.  It's the duty of citizens to resist those abuses."
     -- Leonard Boudin
 [1132] #politics
"It is a greater thing to be a good citizen than to be a good Republican or a good Democrat."
     -- Gifford Pinchot
 [1126] #politics
"About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers."
     Calvin Coolidge.
 [1123] #politics
<qq> oh dear. one of the things the FBI says show Ryan Chamberlain is/was a terrorist is that he "admitted that he was aware of the Tor network"
<dhar> you mean the Tor network that the US Naval Research Laboratory created?  is the FBI saying that the US military is a terrorist organization, now? ;-)
<qq> haha yes!
<qq> It was ok when the navy created it. It's only Terr'ism when Bad People use it.
     #atbot, 2014-06-03
 [1119] #politics
It worries me that people think fascism arrives in a fancy uniform worn by grotesque monsters as seen in Hollywood's Nazi movies.  Fascism shows up as your friend.  It will restore your pride, protect your home, give you a job, clean up the neighborhood, clean out the corruption, and remove everything you feel is less than ideal.  It doesn't come right out saying, "Our agenda is police militarization, indefinite detention, mass surveillance, deportations, war, and persecution."
 [1108] #politics
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
 [1097] #politics
<ttkay> He'd still look better on fire, of course.
<Deke> heck, Im pretty much willing to state than any national level poltician has that quality
     #bitmines, 2014-01-29
 [1093] #politics
<zg> "I'm going to work with Congress to reform the NSA." - Barack Obama, recent speech about 'reforming' the NSA
<zg> So, what you really mean is no reform.
     #nblug, 2014-01-24
 [1089] #politics
<ttk> omg .. googling around for an answer to fuz's question took me to freerepublic.com, and I failed to avert my eyes quickly enough
<ttk> http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/homosexualagenda/index?tab=articles
<ttk> "only 47 percent of black male students earn a high school diploma on time. Ironically, this report came out shortly after Judge Vaughn Walker
<ttk> ruled regarding Proposition 8 in California. If the statements on which Judge Walker based his ruling are "facts," how do we explain what is
<ttk> happening educationally to boys in the black community where a large majority are growing up without fathers?"
<kpuc> wat
<qq> oh dear
<fuz> haha
<fuz> "Look! Here's Chewbacca. He doesn't make any sense! If Chewbacca does not make sense, segregation must have happened for a good reason."
<ttk> fuz++
     #atbot, 2014-01-14
 [1086] #politics
Don't Steal, Spy, Kidnap, Torture, or Murder
The Government Hates Competition
 [1081] #politics
Capitalism without any form of altruism or wealth distribution [..] leads to Socialism.  Marx wrote his works in response to what he saw as exploitation of workers.  It became obsolete (and Communism did not take off) because Capitalism, at least in terms of the period 1850-1950 reformed itself, became fairer, with more wealth distributed to workers.  When that happened, Communism looked irrelevant.
     Stuart Galbraith, 2013-10-31
 [1060] #politics
"Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem."
     (Better a dangerous liberty than a safe servitude)
 [1059] #politics
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
     Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle
 [1048] #politics
Free election of masters does not abolish the masters or the slaves.
     Herbert Marcuse, _One-Dimensional Man_
 [1042] #politics
<fuz> I do love this country when it's not acting like a violent schizophrenic in a bar
     #atbot, 2009-04-15
 [1041] #politics
<jwb> i gather from the helicopter noise that bart is still invading palestine
<dr.siva> israel out of palestine, feinstein out of california!
     #atbot, 2009-01-27
 [1040] #politics
<ren> I wanna hear obama say "fuck". because it probably sounds inspirational coming out of his mouth
     #atbot, 2008-11-05
 [1039] #politics
Congress should continue paying for [public media] because if they don't, the taxpayers will end up paying for it.
     Richard Guess of Charleston, http://taxingtennessee.blogspot.com/2008/06/congress-should-pay-otherwise-taxpayers.html
 [1034] #politics
In a republic, who is 'The Country'?  Is it the government which is for the moment in the saddle?  Why, the government is merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who is not.  Its function is to obey orders, not originate them.  Who, then, is 'The Country'?  Is it the newspaper?  Is it the pulpit?  Why, these are mere parts of the country, not the whole of it; they have not command.  They have only their little share in the command.
In a monarchy, the king and his family are a country; in a republic, it is the common voice of the people.  Each of you, for himself, by himself and on his own responsibility, must speak.  It is a solemn and weighty responsibility, and not lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of pulpit, press, government, or the empty catchphrases of politicians.  Each must for himself alone decide what is right and what is wrong, and which course is patriotic and which is not.
You cannot shirk this and be a man.  To decide it against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor, both to yourself and to your country.  Let men label you as they may.  If you alone of all the nation shall decide one way, and that way be the right way according to your convictions, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country.  Hold up your head.  You have nothing to be ashamed of.
     Oscar Wilde
 [1030] #politics
The health of a democratic society may be measured by the quality of functions performed by private citizens.
     Alexis de Tocqueville
 [1028] #politics
<pef> You can have my bullets when you pry 'em out of your gaping wounds.
     #bitmines, 2007-05-30
 [1026] #politics
It takes a lot of degeneration before a country falls into dictatorship, but we should avoid these ends by avoiding these beginnings.
     Sandra Day O'Connor
 [1020] #politics
Experience proves the inefficacy of a bill of rights on those occasions when its control is most needed.  Repeated violations of these parchment barriers have been committed by overbearing majorities in every State [..] Wherever the real power in a Government lies, there is the danger of oppression.  In our Governments the real power lies in the majority of the Community, and the invasion of private rights is chiefly to be apprehended, not from acts of Government contrary to the sense of its constituents, but from acts in which the Government is the mere instrument of the major number of the Constituents.
     James Madison, Framer of the Constitution of the United States, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson regarding the proposal of a Bill of Rights.
 [1014] #politics
When I was in college, there was an active Objectivist club and an active socialist club.  The Objectivist club gave away their materials; the socialist club sold theirs.
     Kyle Haight
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