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From: KWANG TEOW SANG S/B (stanman@tm.net.my)
Subject: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/11
Forget bigger guns, AA missiles etc. The things tankers would like to see
are:-
a) A small diesel generator to run the electrics with the main engine off.
b) Air conditioning for those blazing hot summers and places where it's
always so hot.
c) A small pump to run a decontamination shower. Also doubles as a neat
field shower.
d) DC sockets to operate stuff like notebooks, shavers, stereos and which
they can use to recharge their cellular phones.
e) More stowage. You can never have enough.
f) a Microwave oven. 
g) cupholders

If this seems like a flippant topic, just consider these things for a
moment. We send millions on each tank and they are just so underspecified.
I'd like to hear from some tankers on these suggestions and also for any
other things that anyone feels should come as standard on a multi-million
dollar ride.

I remember from somewhere that an Abrams clocks in at about 3.5 million
sans support. I'd expect more than DU mesh armour and thermal imagers for
that kinda money.

Simon Tan	
MREs....Meals Rejected by Ethiopians.
Message 2 in thread
From: Cenydd Blackwell (ceb106@york.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/13
All good ideas, but a microwave oven??!?

Air con. would be a REALLY GOOD idea....

> I remember from somewhere that an Abrams clocks in at about 3.5 > million
> sans support. I'd expect more than DU mesh armour and thermal imagers > for
> that kinda money.

Hmm... On ewonders why crew comfort has not been more of a priority in
tank design. Having said that however, the crew accomodation in the new
British Challenger II is supposed to be rather good. No oven though ;)

Cheers, Cen.
Message 3 in thread
From: Doc Holliday (somewhere@some.place)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/13
On Mon, 11 May 1998 16:51:46 GMT, "KWANG TEOW SANG S/B"
<stanman@tm.net.my> wrote:
>Forget bigger guns, AA missiles etc. The things tankers would like to see
>are:-
>a) A small diesel generator to run the electrics with the main engine off.

Already have 'em, M-1 has two models, either a rear fender model that
gets smashed and knocked off when you turn or backup, or one that sits
in the bussle rack, taking up space for the crew's duffle bags and
v-v-v-i-b-r-r-r-a--a-t-t-t-i-n-g the whole damn turret.  Eventually
<roll eyes> a niffty generator that takes the place of most of the
tank's batteries will be fielded....

>b) Air conditioning for those blazing hot summers and places where it's
>always so hot.

Ditto,  Its called the overpressure NBC system, can't run it for long,
but makes a nice A/C unit.
>c) A small pump to run a decontamination shower. Also doubles as a neat
>field shower.

5 gal. jerry can + Austrailian shower + gun tube elevated 15 degrees.=
clean tankers.

>d) DC sockets to operate stuff like notebooks, shavers, stereos and which
>they can use to recharge their cellular phones.

All you need is a dome light, a voltmeter and a little creativity.

>e) More stowage. You can never have enough.

Agree with you there.

>f) a Microwave oven. 

Why?  Got a nice 600 degree exhaust grill back there.

>g) cupholders

Now your getting silly :+)
>

The more crap you got the more crap will break. 
,=======================Doc Holliday======================.
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    It helps if you have some kind of a football team,
or some nuclear weapons, but at the least you need a BEER." 
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Message 4 in thread
From: "Gary S. Callison" (huey@interaccess.com)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/15
Doc Holliday (somewhere@some.place) wrote:
: On Mon, 11 May 1998 16:51:46 GMT, "KWANG TEOW SANG S/B" wrote:
: >b) Air conditioning for those blazing hot summers and places where it's
: >always so hot.
: Ditto,  Its called the overpressure NBC system, can't run it for long,
: but makes a nice A/C unit.
Work for a maint bn. for awhile. I've seen the nifty dual AC units that
go in commo trailers (Army supplied), and I've also seen homemade hardtop
deuces & 5-tons with "something I picked up on sale at the Fredder"
camo-painted and bolted hard to the plywood. Am unfamiliar with the
combat survivability of a civilian window AC unit in a live-fire training
environment, but I know some of them have been there...  ;-)

: >d) DC sockets to operate stuff like notebooks, shavers, stereos and which
: >they can use to recharge their cellular phones.
: All you need is a dome light, a voltmeter and a little creativity.
This is the most common HMMWV mod I've seen: a 12-volt tap out of the
batter box, usually powering one or two cigarette-lighter sockets
(ostensibly for the Col's cellular phone...)

: >f) a Microwave oven. 
: Why?  Got a nice 600 degree exhaust grill back there.
Another reason why I miss Jeeps and detest HMMWVs: a soup can placed on
top of the intake manifold would remain there through the most arduous of
hilly forested terrain rat-patrolling, and upon arrival, be plenty hot to
eat. The best the HMMWV can do by comparison is heat MRE main meals on
the console right next to the transfer shifter. 

: >g) cupholders
: Now your getting silly :+)
My deuce has a cupholder.   ;-)

					Huey
Message 5 in thread
From: Doc Holliday (somewhere@some.place)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/19
On Fri, 15 May 1998 19:50:26 GMT, huey@interaccess.com ("Gary S.
Callison") wrote:
>Doc Holliday (somewhere@some.place) wrote:
>: Ditto,  Its called the overpressure NBC system, can't run it for long,
>: but makes a nice A/C unit.


> Am unfamiliar with the combat survivability of a civilian window AC unit in a live-fire training
>environment, but I know some of them have been there...
]
Trust me, I have pondered this many times while sweating my ass off
waiting to go down range at "Ft. Stew"art.   The problem lies in the
fact that there are no unoccupied openings in the vechical to pass
refrigerant lines much less  blow cooled air...  The only way I
daydreamed up would be to have 2 units heat pump , one a radiator and
fan for blowing heated/chilled air on the inside, and  another box on
the outside with the compressor, heat exchanger and fan on the
outside, connected with a flexible armored tube. (where it woud pass
throught the armored roof <shrug>

>: >d) DC sockets to operate stuff like notebooks, shavers, stereos and which
>: >they can use to recharge their cellular phones.
>: All you need is a dome light, a voltmeter and a little creativity.
>This is the most common HMMWV mod I've seen: a 12-volt tap out of the

Problem is tanks run on 24 volt systems, so you have to be careful
about setting the domelight's rheostat other wise you're likely to
smoke the attachment  (lost 2 TVs, a walkman, and a fan that way)

>: >g) cupholders
>: Now your getting silly :+)
>My deuce has a cupholder.   ;-)

sure, rub it in ;+
Actually the M1 has several sheet metal bins that are designed to hold
canteens, those might qualify as cupholders (although they mostly get
filled with odds and ends and spare parts).

,=======================Doc Holliday======================.
   "You can't be a Real Country unless you have a BEER... 
    It helps if you have some kind of a football team,
or some nuclear weapons, but at the least you need a BEER." 
                                             -Frank Zappa
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Message 6 in thread
From: Cary Martynuik (carym@mgl.ca)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/15
Doc Holliday wrote:

> 
> >f) a Microwave oven.
> 
> Why?  Got a nice 600 degree exhaust grill back there.
> 
 Yummmmy, Nothing like Diesel fume-flavored MREs!
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From: Michael Smith (mjsmith@primenet.com.spam.me.and.ill.have.your.head)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/19
On Fri, 15 May 1998 19:50:33 GMT, Cary Martynuik <carym@mgl.ca> wrote:

>
>
>Doc Holliday wrote:
>
>> 
>> >f) a Microwave oven.
>> 
>> Why?  Got a nice 600 degree exhaust grill back there.
>> 
> Yummmmy, Nothing like Diesel fume-flavored MREs!

    Actually, it's an improvement.   Gives it that certain
"pizaaz".....
Message 8 in thread
From: Doc Holliday (somewhere@some.place)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/19
On Fri, 15 May 1998 19:50:33 GMT, Cary Martynuik <carym@mgl.ca> wrote:
>Doc Holliday wrote:
>> >f) a Microwave oven.
>> 
>> Why?  Got a nice 600 degree exhaust grill back there.
>> 
> Yummmmy, Nothing like Diesel fume-flavored MREs!
>
Yep, a real delacacy if you ask an 11 seires who has had to eat stone
cold MREs for a month until that unit of tankers parked nearby and let
them stand in the exhaust to dry off  and get their first piping hot
meal in a while.
,=======================Doc Holliday======================.
   "You can't be a Real Country unless you have a BEER... 
    It helps if you have some kind of a football team,
or some nuclear weapons, but at the least you need a BEER." 
                                             -Frank Zappa
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Message 9 in thread
From: Doug Berry (dberry@hooked.net)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/22
On Tue, 19 May 1998 16:57:50 GMT, somewhere@some.place (Doc
Holliday) wrote:

>Yep, a real delacacy if you ask an 11 seires who has had to eat stone
>cold MREs for a month until that unit of tankers parked nearby and let
>them stand in the exhaust to dry off  and get their first piping hot
>meal in a while.

i don't know.. at least the cold BBQ sauce can be used to kill
most forms of athelete's foot.
--
Douglas E. Berry
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http://www.hooked.net/~dberry/

Proud Hooker since 1995.
Message 10 in thread
From: Kurt Montandon (kmmontandon@ucdavis.edu)
Subject: Re: Things I like to see on a tank.....
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Date: 1998/05/26
Doc Holliday (somewhere@some.place) wrote:
: On Fri, 15 May 1998 19:50:33 GMT, Cary Martynuik <carym@mgl.ca> wrote:
: >Doc Holliday wrote:
: >> 
: >> Why?  Got a nice 600 degree exhaust grill back there.
: >> 
: > Yummmmy, Nothing like Diesel fume-flavored MREs!
: >
: Yep, a real delacacy if you ask an 11 seires who has had to eat stone
: cold MREs for a month until that unit of tankers parked nearby and let
: them stand in the exhaust to dry off  and get their first piping hot
: meal in a while.

What's wrong with the heater in the MRE?  Other than time-consumption,
which cuts down on food-consumption, that is.