Path: spln!rex!dex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.tycho.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Approved: sci-military-moderated@retro.com Return-Path: news@google.com Delivery-Date: Thu Nov 01 17:00:12 2001 Delivery-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 17:00:11 -0800 for <sci-military-moderated@retro.com>; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:00:10 -0800 (PST) for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:43:57 -0800 (PST) for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:43:57 -0800 for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:43:55 -0800 for sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 16:43:55 -0800 To: sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org From: rexford179@cs.com (Lorrin Bird) Newsgroups: sci.military.moderated Subject: APDS Shatter Ranges Date: 1 Nov 2001 16:43:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <af79dff0.0111011643.3b31c3c2@posting.google.com> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.199.158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com X-NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Nov 2001 00:43:55 GMT Content-Length: 1764 Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: 37e9a88b.newsreader.tycho.net X-Trace: 1004811697 gemini.tycho.net 433 205.179.181.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tycho.net Xref: spln sci.military.moderated:39982 The British report, EFFECT OF IMPACT AND VELOCITY, listed the results of APDS testing for shatter velocity, which was found to vary with angle. Firing test data at Isigny, France (found on Mycenius site) and in Thomas Jentz' books for 17 pounder APDS against Panther and Tiger armor resulted in the following conclusions: 1. tests against Tiger 82mm and 102mm armor exactly followed the shatter failure limits set in the EFFECT OF IMPACT AND VELOCITY report 2. while the British report predicted that all hits on the 57° Panther glacis would fail from 150 to 950 meters, 2 of 17 fair hits penetrated between 200 and 800 yards. The following ranges represent target range intervals where all 17 pdr APDS hits are predicted to fail at the given compound angle: 0 degrees.....none 5.............0-200m 10............0-350m 15............150-950m 20............300-1100m 25............500-1300m 30............650-1450m 35............750-1550m 40............800-1600m 45............750-1550m 50............600-1400m 55............300-1100m 60............0-700m When 17 pounder APDS strikes the Tiger II turret front head-on, the compound angle is 10° and the hits should penetrate normally beyond 350m. However, if the APDS strikes the turret front at 11° from armor facing the compound angle is 15° and hits fail from 150 to 950 meters. When 17 pounder APDS struck the 82mm Tiger side armor at a 50° angle and 3511 fps, the hit failed. But when the rounds struck 82mm Tiger armor at the same angle but 3131 fps, it succeeded. The bottom line is that theory and practice show that APDS had a tendency to fail against the evry targets is was designed to combat, Tigers and Panthers and Hetzers (tests which support theory used 67mm to 102mm armor thicknesses).