Path: spln!rex!lex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.tycho.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Approved: sci-military-moderated@retro.com Organization: Sci Military Moderated Return-Path: q9921879@mail.connect.usq.edu.au Delivery-Date: Mon Jul 16 17:04:11 2001 Delivery-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:04:11 -0700 for <sci-military-moderated@retro.com>; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:04:09 -0700 (PDT) id 15MI7H-0006FB-00 for sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 01:49:32 +0200 for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:49:27 +1000 (EST) To: sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org From: "Bond" <q9921879@mail.connect.usq.edu.au> Newsgroups: sci.military.moderated References: <9ikrtl0tpe@enews1.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Mortar levelling devices? Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:46:56 +1000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.86.23.185 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.86.23.185 Message-ID: <3b537d84@news.connect.usq.edu.au> X-Original-Trace: 17 Jul 2001 09:49:24 +1000, 139.86.23.185 X-Abuse: abuse@usq.edu.au Content-Length: 2239 Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: d73caa00.newsreader.tycho.net X-Trace: 995410238 gemini.tycho.net 317 205.179.181.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tycho.net Xref: spln sci.military.moderated:38265 As already mentioned, the simple tried and tested way is to use a sight which has bubble levels which can be changed to any firing elevation. A cross level bubble is also used so the direction is an offset from a aiming post, which is at a designated bearing (usually grid). This all done with a sight unit. The bipod has 3 moving drums, elevation, transverse and cross level. These are used so the 2 bubbles (elevation & cross level) are centralised.If the correct elevation and direction is set on the sight must also look directly at the post. I would be interesting knowing how any mortar systems are automated. Very accurate fire could be done with minimal adjusting if GPS info is used into a fire control computer. The person calling the fire could have a GPS and integrated laser range finder, which would then give an exact postion. I would like to know if the actual automation from a fire control computer to the computer adjustment of bearing/elevation is done on the mortar and if so how? This type of system would make a mortar no longer man portable, but the accuracy would be extremely good. TTK Ciar <ttk@typhon.NOSPAM_REMOVE_THIS_AND_FRUIT.ciar.orange.org> wrote in message news:9ikrtl0tpe@enews1.newsguy.com... > What are some of the methods that have been used to determine the > degree of angle between a mortar's support (baseplate and bipod) and > true (gravitational) horizontal for the purposes of adjusting firing > angle? Things that have occurred to me have been (1) using a level > to find a flat spot to set up the mortar on, (2) eyeballing it and > then walking fire to the target, and (3) hanging a weight suspended > against a pair of vertical-plane compasses at right angles (one for > X axis, one for Y axis) off which angles are read. But I hoped to > get answers from people who might know, rather than speculating. > > Has anyone implemented an angle detection system which relays this > information directly into a firecontrol computer for targetting? It > seems to me that the Swiss anti-artillery artillery mentioned here a > few weeks back (which detects mortar rounds en route and targets their > source for counterbombardment) might benefit from something like that. > > -- TTK >