From: gherbert@gw.retro.com (George William Herbert) Newsgroups: sci.military.moderated Subject: Re: Effectiveness of HESH against modern armor Date: 22 Feb 2002 23:26:27 -0800 Organization: Dis- Approved: sci-military-moderated@retro.com Message-ID: References: <3c672d5.0202201603.64165060@posting.google.com> Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: e2b37a87.newsreader.tycho.net X-Trace: 1014448155 gemini.tycho.net 79558 205.179.181.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tycho.net Paul Lakowski wrote: >>[Chobham] >Yes no one knows for sure ....but:-) > >I have scores of open source research papers from APG, Rafeal >[israel], DERA [chobham facility], EMI and many more locations >[Including China and Korea and Russia] that all study long rod impact >of modern armor .....And guess what , the're modern armor is all the >same, and all the projectiles are the same...so unless theres some >massive multi cultural conspiricy going on around the world , I >suggest these are the real thing. This is even more likely ,when one >realizes that each of these many many test shot cost $10,000 dollars >and a single data point cost > $100,000 to generate. Again if these >are not 'real targets' then alot of governments around the world are >wasting millions upon billions of reseach dollars on a cleverly >concocked conspiricy. Or, there's a Secret Ingredient (tm) to the overall design which can be adequately analyzed by all the above but is not at all obvious from the testing itself. >I doubt the M-1 or LEO-2 front turret contains any spaced >plates...more likely there sandwich construction.Infact LEO-2 front >turret cavity has been photoed and has no spacers at all [normally >associated with spaced armor]. Have you run mass density equations on it? The numbers don't work out unless there are some low density materials involved. The spacers may look perfectly solid. They might in fact be perfectly solid, until hit by impact level forces... -george william herbert gherbert@retro.com