Path: spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!gemini.tycho.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Approved: sci-military-moderated@retro.com Return-Path: news@synthemesc.insync.net Delivery-Date: Sun Sep 09 23:00:35 2001 Delivery-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 23:00:35 -0700 for <sci-military-moderated@retro.com>; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:00:33 -0700 (PDT) for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:45:07 -0400 (EDT) for <sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:45:06 -0500 (CDT) To: sci-military-moderated@moderators.isc.org From: Robert Lyle <madrabit@metronet.com> Newsgroups: sci.military.moderated Subject: Re: Are we headed back to an infantry army? Message-ID: <rq0opt0l0kpvbhh44kv7uiipijmk297cvk@4ax.com> References: <020920011911047878%rkeeter@earthlink.net> <9n0poj$mik@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <030920012143339501%rkeeter@earthlink.net> <9n9luo$101@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <WExm7.754$lk7.30961@news.get2net.dk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@insync.net X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:45:04 CDT Organization: Insync Internet Services, Inc. Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:46:07 -0500 Content-Length: 905 Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: e2f9a6e8.newsreader.tycho.net X-Trace: 1000102133 gemini.tycho.net 318 205.179.181.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tycho.net Xref: spln sci.military.moderated:39216 On Sun, 9 Sep 2001 01:21:06 +0200, "Carl Alex Friis Nielsen" <cafn@get2net.dk> wrote: >Roger Moore skrev i meddelelsen <9n9luo$101@gap.cco.caltech.edu>... > >>ATGM gunners will have some nice punch, but they'll lack combat mobility >>unless the missiles are vehicle mounted. An ATGM that's heavy enough to >>knock out a modern MBT is not exactly man portable. And then remember > >Eryx ? >Milan-3 ? >AT-13 ? >Javelin ? None of those weapons weigh less than 20 Kg and a three man crew can carry at most four rounds, so they need motorized trnsport to sustain combat, Maximum range is 2000m the Eryx only 600m, which puts them in range of MBTs and IFVs. With a penetration of 900-1200mm RHA these weapons are still unlikely to kill a 1st line MBT like a M1A2, Leopard 2A5, Challenger II or T90 (except for top attack luike a Javelin or Bill) with a single hit ( or even several) in the frontal arc.